Comments on: Preachers Angry with the Country? Call the Papers! http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/ Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:48:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jonathan http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-395 Jonathan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:24:54 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-395 Also, I will add this...look what happened when Bush tried to nominate Miers. Grassroots conservatives wouldn't stand for it and he had to go more conservative. McCain has promised to stick with the Alito, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas mold. For him to go against that would kill him politically. Also, I will add this…look what happened when Bush tried to nominate Miers. Grassroots conservatives wouldn’t stand for it and he had to go more conservative. McCain has promised to stick with the Alito, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas mold. For him to go against that would kill him politically.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-394 Jonathan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:20:29 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-394 Some of the justices nominated by Repubs were not conservative though. That's why conservatives want to make sure that candidates promise to nominate justices in the mold of Thomas, Scalia, Alito, and Roberts. I think they've learned by their mistakes...conservative voters won't let them forget. On the amendment, there is no need to try and ram through an amendment that the SC would deem unconstituional. That's why conservatives need to reach that magiv number of fove to get a majority on the SC. I think that Roe v. Wade will need to be overturned before there can be a life amendment passed. Also, Obama's position on abortion and very extreme position on the babies born alive act disqualifies me from ever voting for him. Some of the justices nominated by Repubs were not conservative though. That’s why conservatives want to make sure that candidates promise to nominate justices in the mold of Thomas, Scalia, Alito, and Roberts. I think they’ve learned by their mistakes…conservative voters won’t let them forget.

On the amendment, there is no need to try and ram through an amendment that the SC would deem unconstituional. That’s why conservatives need to reach that magiv number of fove to get a majority on the SC. I think that Roe v. Wade will need to be overturned before there can be a life amendment passed.

Also, Obama’s position on abortion and very extreme position on the babies born alive act disqualifies me from ever voting for him.

]]> By: ngilmour http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-393 ngilmour Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:49:25 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-393 With regards to SC justices, seven of the current nine were nominated by Republicans and six by Reagan or one of the Bushes. I'm not convinced. With regards to the legislature, the Republicans had control of it for twelve years, and not once did I hear a peep about a Constitutional amendment. You're right that Nader is anti-NCLB, but he was the only anti-NCLB candidate in '04. This time there might be options. Don't worry, though; I live in Georgia, which seems every cycle to be in a race with Indiana to turn red first. With regards to SC justices, seven of the current nine were nominated by Republicans and six by Reagan or one of the Bushes. I’m not convinced.

With regards to the legislature, the Republicans had control of it for twelve years, and not once did I hear a peep about a Constitutional amendment.

You’re right that Nader is anti-NCLB, but he was the only anti-NCLB candidate in ’04. This time there might be options. Don’t worry, though; I live in Georgia, which seems every cycle to be in a race with Indiana to turn red first.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-392 Jonathan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:45:33 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-392 Btw, Nader is running this year...so if you're gonna go with who is the most anti-NCLB then I urge you to go with him over Obama. :) Btw, Nader is running this year…so if you’re gonna go with who is the most anti-NCLB then I urge you to go with him over Obama. :)

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-391 Jonathan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:43:56 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-391 (Meant to say that I know that you might NOT like Human Events...) (Meant to say that I know that you might NOT like Human Events…)

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-390 Jonathan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:42:57 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-390 I'm not saying that you should be a one issue voter but we haven't been this close to having a conservative majority on the Supreme Court as long as I can remember. The life amendment won't mean much if the Supremem Court says it's unconstitutional. That's why Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned first. We are one conservative SC justice away from being able to make that happen. The next President will appoint atleast one. If Obama becomes President he will appoint another Ruth Bader Ginsburg and we maight have to wait another 25 years to get this opportunity again. Besides that Barack Obama is one of the most pro-choice politicians out there. I know you might like Human Events but give these a quick read: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24354 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24481 Obama's resisitance to the Babies Born Alive act is just inexcuseable, imo. I’m not saying that you should be a one issue voter but we haven’t been this close to having a conservative majority on the Supreme Court as long as I can remember. The life amendment won’t mean much if the Supremem Court says it’s unconstitutional. That’s why Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned first. We are one conservative SC justice away from being able to make that happen. The next President will appoint atleast one. If Obama becomes President he will appoint another Ruth Bader Ginsburg and we maight have to wait another 25 years to get this opportunity again. Besides that Barack Obama is one of the most pro-choice politicians out there. I know you might like Human Events but give these a quick read:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24354

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24481

Obama’s resisitance to the Babies Born Alive act is just inexcuseable, imo.

]]> By: ngilmour http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-397 ngilmour Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:06:06 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-397 I actually heard Hagee named when I was running the library's newspapers to the recycling center today. I was listening to our local Republican/evangelical radio station (the same one on which I catch my Jim Dobson and Jay Sekulow), and I heard that he was leading a trip to Israel soon. I actually hadn't heard about the Elijah Muhammad stuff. I'd heard on Hannity that he gave some award to Farrakhan, but the hubbub on Fox News has been about the "God D**n America" line. I think in the space of a week I must have walked by a dozen Fox News-tuned TV's with that clip running. Frankly, when Augusto Pinochet died and I heard absolutely zero from the right other than a laudatory eulogy from Thatcher, I lost yet a bit more of my ability to take conservative politics seriously. At least the Dems have the sense not to affiliate themselves with Castro any more. I think that when national candidates get announced and official platforms get revised on the web, I'm going to cast another vote for education this time around--whoever casts No Child Left Behind into the lowest circle of the Inferno gets my vote. (That was Nader in 2008, but Obama looks like he's anti-NCLB right now, in the primary phase of things.) I used to be a one-issue abortion voter, but we're coming up on thirty years of the Reagan era, and as of yet not a peep about legislating that Constitutional amendment they've been promising. As far as I've read, nobody's even written the legislation. They'll write laws to make sure gays can't get health insurance, but they won't actually move on abortion. Education at least changes when new administrations come in. With regards to double-standards, I'll wait to see what happens when Robertson or one of his ilk endorses McCain. I know that there was virtually zero fallout when Robertson endorsed Giuliani (more of a collective head-scratch), but the stakes weren't as high at that point. I know that nobody (that I read) made a big deal when McCain donned the robes and spoke at Bob Jones, but again I don't think the stakes were that high. I actually heard Hagee named when I was running the library’s newspapers to the recycling center today. I was listening to our local Republican/evangelical radio station (the same one on which I catch my Jim Dobson and Jay Sekulow), and I heard that he was leading a trip to Israel soon.

I actually hadn’t heard about the Elijah Muhammad stuff. I’d heard on Hannity that he gave some award to Farrakhan, but the hubbub on Fox News has been about the “God D**n America” line. I think in the space of a week I must have walked by a dozen Fox News-tuned TV’s with that clip running.

Frankly, when Augusto Pinochet died and I heard absolutely zero from the right other than a laudatory eulogy from Thatcher, I lost yet a bit more of my ability to take conservative politics seriously. At least the Dems have the sense not to affiliate themselves with Castro any more. I think that when national candidates get announced and official platforms get revised on the web, I’m going to cast another vote for education this time around–whoever casts No Child Left Behind into the lowest circle of the Inferno gets my vote. (That was Nader in 2008, but Obama looks like he’s anti-NCLB right now, in the primary phase of things.)

I used to be a one-issue abortion voter, but we’re coming up on thirty years of the Reagan era, and as of yet not a peep about legislating that Constitutional amendment they’ve been promising. As far as I’ve read, nobody’s even written the legislation. They’ll write laws to make sure gays can’t get health insurance, but they won’t actually move on abortion. Education at least changes when new administrations come in.

With regards to double-standards, I’ll wait to see what happens when Robertson or one of his ilk endorses McCain. I know that there was virtually zero fallout when Robertson endorsed Giuliani (more of a collective head-scratch), but the stakes weren’t as high at that point. I know that nobody (that I read) made a big deal when McCain donned the robes and spoke at Bob Jones, but again I don’t think the stakes were that high.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Jonathan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:51:03 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-396 John Hagee is real big into dispensationalism and end-times stuff. I'm sure if you saw a pic of him you'd recognize him. The reason I think people are making a big deal about Rev. Wright isn't because he's talking about God's judgement of America but because he's racist or at least screaming racist (and crazy) stuff from the pulpit. He's put stuff in their bulletin that was written by Hamas, calls America US of KKK A, says white invented AIDS and crack and put them into black areas, and on and on and on... John Hagee is real big into dispensationalism and end-times stuff. I’m sure if you saw a pic of him you’d recognize him.

The reason I think people are making a big deal about Rev. Wright isn’t because he’s talking about God’s judgement of America but because he’s racist or at least screaming racist (and crazy) stuff from the pulpit. He’s put stuff in their bulletin that was written by Hamas, calls America US of KKK A, says white invented AIDS and crack and put them into black areas, and on and on and on…

]]> By: ngilmour http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-398 ngilmour Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:48:52 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-398 That this will hurt Obama's political prospects only reflects the ignorance of a bunch of people concerning American Christianity. That people are unaware that the Civil Rights Movement and the Culture War have been invoking divine judgment upon America for the last fifty years is a sad commentary upon our historical ignorance. Honestly, I have no idea who John Hagee is. All I know is that everyone from Malcolm X to Jerry Falwell has been calling down God's condemnation on America since the fifties, and that people are shocked at it in 2008 baffles me. That this will hurt Obama’s political prospects only reflects the ignorance of a bunch of people concerning American Christianity. That people are unaware that the Civil Rights Movement and the Culture War have been invoking divine judgment upon America for the last fifty years is a sad commentary upon our historical ignorance.

Honestly, I have no idea who John Hagee is. All I know is that everyone from Malcolm X to Jerry Falwell has been calling down God’s condemnation on America since the fifties, and that people are shocked at it in 2008 baffles me.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.nathangilmour.com/hardly/2008/03/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/comment-page-1/#comment-399 Jonathan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:59:05 +0000 http://hardlylastword.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/preachers-angry-with-the-country-call-the-papers/#comment-399 The John Hagee comparison cracks me up. Unless, John McCain was a member of his church (doesn't even have to be 20 years) then that comparison needs to be thrown in the toilet immediately. This is a huge problem for Obama. Liberals and Democrats don't seem to care very much but it looks to me that he will be taking a hit with the independents. Obama has been going to racist church for 20 years now. I would think that most people would leave a church like that. Not only that, but Rev. Wright (no relation) :) isn't just his pastor but he is a close friend and mentor to Obama. He is blatant support for Obama from the pulpit is another thing. If that happened in a conservative church people would be filing lawsuits and trying to have that churches tax exempt status revoked...the whole thing really comes down to the many double standards that are alive and well. The John Hagee comparison cracks me up. Unless, John McCain was a member of his church (doesn’t even have to be 20 years) then that comparison needs to be thrown in the toilet immediately. This is a huge problem for Obama. Liberals and Democrats don’t seem to care very much but it looks to me that he will be taking a hit with the independents. Obama has been going to racist church for 20 years now. I would think that most people would leave a church like that. Not only that, but Rev. Wright (no relation) :) isn’t just his pastor but he is a close friend and mentor to Obama. He is blatant support for Obama from the pulpit is another thing. If that happened in a conservative church people would be filing lawsuits and trying to have that churches tax exempt status revoked…the whole thing really comes down to the many double standards that are alive and well.

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